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Volume 11: Scientists after Southwood
Annex 2 to Chapter 4: SEAC meetings

NUMBER & DATE OF MEETING
TOPIC(S)
MAIN COMMENTS
1st Meeting 1/5/90
(YB90/5.1/2.1)
Terms of reference
The Committee agreed that its remit was very wide.
Membership
The Committee felt additional experts could be involved for particular topics as necessary.
Overview of developments in research
It was proposed that there would be one overall joint coordinating committee to oversee the AFRC and MRC research programmes.
Experimental results
Research on the neuropathology of BSE showed consistent pattern of lesions suggesting, unlike scrapie, a single strain and route of infection.It was also reported that there had been positive intracerebral transmission of BSE to negative-line sheep reported.The Committee confirmed that the new information had not altered their perception about the probable lack of hazard of BSE to humans.
Non-food uses of bovine material
MAFF and DH were to investigate the possible use of bovine and ovine tissues in products (such as cosmetics); this work remained high priority.
Epidemiology
Concern was expressed that the full range of hypotheses for the recent increase in reporting had not been considered. It was agreed that MAFF would arrange for the Committee to receive data on the progress of the disease.
Breeding from BSE offspring
The Committee was not convinced of the line proposed by MAFF concerning advice against the use for breeding of the offspring of BSE cows. The incidence of subclinical infection invalidated any action proposed. Other consequences identified were the loss of certain useful cattle genes and of public confidence in the meat trade. With the expected elimination of the disease (barring horizontal transmission), the new measures might accelerate this only slightly.
2nd Meeting 17/5/90
(YB90/5.17/1.1)
Breeding from BSE offspring
The Committee made clear, after a request for clarification from MAFF, that it wished to amplify its previous advice on breeding. It was unknown whether BSE spread naturally among cattle, but even 100 per cent maternal transmission would not sustain the epidemic. The Committee issued a statement on the issue of breeding and it was released attached to a press release from MAFF.
Safety of beef
The CMO had sought the endorsement of the Committee on the issue of safety of beef. The Committee discussed a draft letter to the CMO. It was decided that in the present state of knowledge, it was not thought justified to state categorically that there was no risk to humans and that it was not appropriate to insist on a zero risk.
Slaughterhouse practices
The Committee recommended additional attention should be directed at abattoir methods, in order to minimise cross-contamination of meat with banned offal.
FSE
The Committee discussed the implications of the reported case of feline SE. Three possibilities were identified: (a) a feline disorder with no association with BSE or scrapie; (b) feline scrapie; or (c) feline BSE. The Committee felt it premature to draw conclusions without further data. The HSE was alerted to the potential for exposure to cat nervous tissue in neurophysiologists and others. Information was also sought on the potential for cross-species transfer in veterinary products.
Membership
The Committee recommended strengthening the regular membership of the Committee with a human neuropathologist.
3rd Meeting 13/6/90
(YB90/6.13/1.1)
Role of SEAC
It was recognised that the Committee's role was to assess scientific data and opinions as objectively as possible, then to set down judgements on these in writing. It was important to communicate the message that science was not absolute and it was for policy-makers to decide what measures to adopt. The Committee agreed that all advice would go to MAFF and DH in the first instance with the assumption that it would be made publicly available.
Maternal transmission
The Committee requested further information on the theory that the epidemic would die out if transmission were from cow to calf only, and whether horizontal transmission (including disposal of placentae) was a more important problem.
FSE
The Committee considered the question of possible human health implications in the recent discovery of a SE in three cats. They felt that there was still no way of knowing whether the condition was a previously unrecognised species-adapted encephalopathy, feline scrapie, or a BSE-related disease. The Committee agreed it was in no position to offer advice on the implications for human health until more was known about the condition. The Committee recommended urgent research work.
Other species
As with the cat, it was too early to recommend action regarding the appearance of SEs in other animals. The Committee noted that its views on the safety of beef did not rely on the species susceptibility of BSE.
Animal feed
The Committee was asked to look at the issue of ruminant feed. The Committee recommended further study on the issue of feeding ruminant feed to pigs and poultry. Particular points to be considered were: (a) pigs had continued to receive the same exposure to the BSE agent in cattle; (b) most pigs were slaughtered before the likely expression of the disease; and (c) if pig offal were used in MBM production, the possibility of the agent being recycled back into cattle was small.
Slaughterhouse practices
The Committee was asked by MAFF to consider a paper on slaughterhouse practices. They recommended that the removal of bovine brains before head meat was harvested should not be permitted. Similarly, the same principle of avoiding contamination arose with procedures involving the spinal cord. Further information was requested on this practice.
Epidemiology
The Committee observed that the methodology that had been applied to the CVL's modelling remained obscure.
4th Meeting
2/7/90
(YB90/7.2/2.1)
FSE
The Committee noted that MAFF was willing in principle to fund transmission experiments with the brains of infected cats.
Resources and processes
The Committee considered that the DH and CVL libraries should undertake literature searches on behalf of the Committee.
Role of SEAC
The Committee felt one of its objectives was to produce 'opinions' that set out clearly what was implied by scientific knowledge. It was for others to decide what policy decision should flow from this. These opinions could be backed up by more detailed notes setting out their scientific basis.
Safety of beef
The draft letter to the CMO was agreed, and the longer supporting paper requested to be circulated for final clearance.
Epidemiology
The Committee noted there continued to be no evidence of cattle-to-cattle transmission either in the field or experimentally.
Slaughterhouse practices
The Committee noted MAFF was preparing a paper on practices relevant to BSE, and agreed that a visit to a plant by members was necessary.
Bovine eyeballs
The Committee was asked to look at the question of the use of bovine eyeballs in schools. They agreed with the paper from DH and advised that the eyes of cattle over six months of age should not be used for dissection in schools.
Scrapie and BSE in sheep
The Committee requested that MAFF produce a paper on the implications of the possible modification of the scrapie agent and on BSE in the sheep population.
5th Meeting 19/9/90
(YB90/9.19/2.1)
Overview of developments in research
Concern was expressed about the complexity of arrangements being set up to coordinate research work, and the MRC would be advised of the importance of streamlined mechanisms. The secretariat reported Government discussion on the possibility of an expert to oversee the coordination of Government-sponsored research.
Epidemiology
The Chairman reiterated that there were still questions to be answered about the analysis of the data collected on the epidemic by the CVL. It was considered sometimes difficult to judge whether alternative scenarios to those advanced by the CVL had been adequately tested.
Animal feed
The Committee approved its report produced from a previous meeting on the intracerebral transmission of BSE to a pig. The Committee recommended that pigs should no longer be fed with protein derived from SBO. It was also thought sensible to extend this prohibition to feed for all species.
FSE
The Committee recommended that the cost of funding clinical examination of cats should be met by public funds to encourage owners to cooperate. Although the Committee did not believe the disease in cats was of direct relevance to human health, it needed to be properly investigated to clarify the nature of the agent that caused it.
Rendering industry
The Committee was asked to look at processes employed within the rendering industry. Questions about the rendering process emphasised the importance of maintaining monitoring of the outbreak: had it been clearly demonstrated that the food-borne source of the outbreak had now been cut off? The Committee advised that experimental work be continued and that the use of tallow in animal feed be considered.
Scrapie and BSE in sheep
The Committee noted that a study of archived sheep scrapie brains had revealed only one case with a neuropathology similar to BSE.
6th Meeting 1/11/90
(YB90/11.1/2.1)
FSE
The Committee clarified that MAFF should provide free histological examination of brain samples from suspect cases but that this did not extend to the initial clinical examination.
Overview of developments in research
The Chairman reported approaches from MAFF suggesting the Committee should have the role of taking an overview of all Government-funded research into SEs. Concern was expressed that the members of the Committee did not have the time to do the job properly.
Experimental results
Differences between the BSE agent and scrapie had been demonstrated by:
- the transmission of scrapie from greyface sheep to mice, which had shown a longer incubation period than BSE;
- BSE had been transmitted to a negative-line sheep for scrapie.
BSE in sheep
It was recorded that BSE had been transmitted both intracerebrally and orally to sheep.
Epidemiology
The Committee welcomed the modelling set out by the NPU comparing the effect of culling and not culling the offspring of cattle. Although this might not provide an accurate forecast, it was a useful approach for identifying key variables. The Chairman felt it would be helpful to see more of the basic data and detailed workings of the CVL and NPU lying behind some of the conclusions drawn. The Committee were concerned that basing hypotheses about the course of the disease only on cases reported early put a question mark against some conclusions (and noted that if the BSE agent had changed over time this could undermine the value of offspring experiments using only material derived from early cases).
Slaughterhouse practices
A paper from MAFF tabled at the meeting noted the theoretical possibility that some slaughtering practices could involve contact between the spinal cord and meat destined for human consumption. Having asked the Committee for advice on the subject some members visited a slaughterhouse. The Committee concluded that, provided all the rules were properly followed and supervised, there was no need to recommend further measures on the grounds of consumer protection. In particular, it was noted that the spinal cord could be extracted from the carcass without difficulty.
Tallow andAnimal feed
Subsequent to enquiries from MAFF, the Committee did not feel that there was an urgent need to consider any risks associated with the use of tallow. However further information was requested on that derived from cattle and scrapie-infected sheep. A MAFF paper tabled at the meeting noted that between 30 - 40 per cent of all tallow was used in animal feed
7th Meeting 7/3/91
(YB91/3.7/2.1)
Epidemiology and scrapie
It was observed that a new EC directive on trade in sheep and goats required that scrapie should be notifiable. The Committee felt that it was particularly important that a focused investigation of the prevalence of scrapie should be undertaken - in advance of the data yielded by notification.
Tallow
The Committee was reassured by MAFF evidence that the protein content of tallow was very low and that MAFF did not believe that tallow derived from SBOs was likely to reach the food chain. The Committee requested further information about the real scope for leakage of such material into human food. On the basis of the available evidence, it was not thought appropriate to offer specific advice on tallow.
Non-food uses of bovine material
The Committee requested a note on the use of bovine material in non-food preparations such as cosmetics.
Disposal of carcasses and SBO material
Noting the article by Brown/Gajdusek on the survival of the scrapie agent in soil, the Committee advised that it was not advisable to bury fallen cattle near the surface, where they could be exposed again. Concern was expressed over the decline of the service operated by knackers, which might lead to an increase in this risk.
The Committee also recommended that on balance it would be better not to use material derived from SBO as a fertiliser, but that the practice would be acceptable if the material were subject to more rigorous heat treatment (ie to the standard for dealing with the CJD agent). Less caution was needed in Northern Ireland because of the much lower incidence of BSE and the fact that any infected material would be diluted considerably.
Blood
The Committee reviewed a MAFF paper and concluded that, as there was no evidence that blood carried detectable infectivity, spreading bovine blood on agricultural land carried with it no extra risk of distributing the BSE agent so long as existing controls were properly applied in the slaughterhouse to ensure that blood was not contaminated with other tissues.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee considered that there was an important coordination job to be done but that it did not have the resources to get a first-hand view of the work. Cross-representation with other committees and occasional seminars was felt to provide a workable approach.
8th Meeting 10/5/91
(YB91/5.10/2.1)
Disposal of carcasses and SBO material
The Committee considered a note tabled by MAFF on the use of heat treatment similar to that required to neutralise the CJD agent which could reduce the amount of BSE agent present. It was however concluded that it could not be guaranteed that material subjected to the heat treatment would contain no agent. Experimental work could provide more data on the subject.
Milk
The Committee considered the short draft protocol for the milk transmission experiment. It generally felt that the detail of the experiment required further consideration, the prime reason for doing the work being to determine by the most sensitive means whether infectivity could be conveyed in milk. It concluded that a field study comparing the pattern of the disease in beef and diary herds would be the most useful approach. Another would be to orally expose calves with the milk of affected cows.
Overview of developments in research
Arrangements for consultation and coordination were becoming established. The Committee's role fell short of the unified expert guidance that would exist with a directed programme but this was not felt to be a realistic approach to pursue.
The Committee concluded that it would be happy to invite observers from the Research Councils to participate in relevant discussions but it did not want to see the permanent membership of the Committee expanded.
BAB cases
The Committee noted that the possibility that the animal identified as born after the ban had been fed on ruminant protein could not be fully ruled out. However, this would not alter the Committee's view of the disease and the advice that had been offered. This was due to a lack of similar cases in the field and no positive results in the offspring study.
Non-food uses of bovine material
The Committee requested from MAFF a list of non-food uses of bovine material that had been drawn up in consultation with the slaughtering industry. It also suggested the advisability of seeking from the cosmetics industry an indication of whether it used bovine material.
9th Meeting 28/6/91
(YB91/6.28/2.1)
Overview of developments in research
The Committee emphasised that although contacts had improved with the AFRC, it was important that the attendance of AFRC representatives at SEAC meetings were restricted as was consistent to their need for information.
The AFRC had discussed organising workshops discussing research into SEs. The Committee thought that the AFRC should be encouraged to look into allowing the attendance of non-AFRC funded workers/bodies to any such workshops.
Milk
MAFF had reported that it thought the best approach to the transmission experiments was to feed milk to mice. The Committee agreed that this was the best course of action.
Epidemiology
The Committee requested progress reports on the contacts established following the epidemiology seminar in February with the London School of Hygiene and Tropical Medicine, and on the publication of the mathematical modelling of the epidemic.
The Committee requested information on whether contact lens care products were covered by the Committee on the Safety of Medicines' guidelines. Also whether any SBOs going for industrial use were likely to end up in products which might come into contact with human tissues.
10th Meeting 6/9/91
(YB91/9.6/3.1)
FSE
The Committee emphasised the importance which it attached to a properly constructed study of the condition in cats. The species was probably the animal with the highest level of human contact.
Preparation of SEAC's Second Interim Report
The Committee felt that three questions needed to be addressed in the Second Interim Report - (a) had the recommendations of the First Interim Report been implemented; (b) did the scientific evidence support the action being taken by HMG; and, (c) were there gaps in the scientific work or scope for better coordination?
Epidemiology
The Committee commented on the three CVL draft papers on the spread of the epidemic and emphasised the great importance of prompt publication of these and other scientific papers.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee had been invited to consider a transgenics research proposal from St Mary's Hospital. The proposal had previously been turned down for funding by MAFF and had been further proposed to the AFRC. While concluding that it did not support the application, the Committee recognised the importance of work in this emerging field.
The Committee noted that the AFRC were prepared to widen the participants of their workshops for discussion of SEs to non-AFRC members.
Risk from zoo animals
The Committee noted the two articles describing SEs in ostriches. It noted that transmission experiments involving tissues from the affected birds were in hand in Germany. It suggested that consideration should be given to alerting veterinary surgeons handling zoo animals of the need to look out for suspicious symptoms.
11th Meeting 28/11/91
(YB91/11.28/2.1)
FSE
Concern was expressed over the lack of progress made on work with cats and that the Bristol research project had not yet received financial support. The Committee discussed the reservations held in some quarters over the scientific merits of work undertaken at Bristol and that this could be the reason it was struggling to attract funding. It was agreed that the Committee would not assess proposals for research and that proposals for funding should be routed through the AFRC research grants board.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee welcomed the AFRC decision to allow other research teams to participate in its workshops.
The Committee discussed correspondence with St Mary's Hospital, confirming its previous decision not to support St Mary's transgenics research project.
It acknowledged the transgenic approach as valid but stated that it was concerned about the scale of the project and its overlap with work in progress and planned.
The Committee reviewed the results of the decontamination of the CJD Agent experiment. It felt the results were interesting but did not in themselves give grounds for a change in existing DH guidance on decontamination of the CJD agent. It felt further work should be done on quantitative studies.
Epidemiology
The Committee requested an analysis of monthly epidemiological data for future meetings showing any trends which might indicate the way the BSE epidemic was developing.
12th Meeting 8/4/92
(YB92/4.28/2.1)
Communication with Lamming
The Committee made it clear that whilst happy to help the Lamming group by providing its views on particular issues, it did not want to participate in producing an agreed report. The right procedure would be for Lamming to make its recommendations and for the Departments to consider whether these required action by other advisory groups such as SEAC.
FSE
The Committee reviewed the proposed study into SE in cats at Bristol. The AFRC had initially been prepared to fund the study but this had been aborted as a result of MAFF's refusal to provide BSE material for inoculation into cats. The Committee requested that MAFF reconsider its refusal to do so.
Role of SEAC
The Committee considered the scope for further work in order to fulfil its remit to maintain an overview of research. It was clear that adequate machinery was in place but the Committee emphasised the need to keep abreast of developments in research across the whole field of SEs and to consider whether it would be helpful to draw attention to the wider implications of results.
Overview of development in research
The Committee discussed the Report of the visiting group to the CVL epidemiology department. The Committee welcomed the Report's emphasis on the importance of epidemiological work and its approval of the high quality of work at CVL.
The Committee were convinced of the crucial importance of documenting the diagnoses in those cases found not to be infected with BSE, and welcomed the proposed detailed study of 1,500 suspect cases per year, of which a proportion would be not be confirmed as BSE.
13th Meeting 15/10/92
(YB92/10.15/2.1)
Feeding porcine MBM to cattle
The Committee considered that porcine material was not being fed to cattle and that it was advisable for that position to continue.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee considered further research on pigs. It felt it was theoretically possible that pigs could be carrying the agent of BSE or scrapie. It would therefore make sense to design an experiment to expose pigs to massive doses and to assess the presence of signs in the CNS.
BAB cases
The Committee concluded that all the evidence continued to suggest, in the case of BABs as in earlier ones, that infected feed was the origin of infection and that there was still no evidence of any alternative source.
CJD in farmers and young people
The Committee concluded that DH would look at what needed to be done to ensure that funding was available for follow up laboratory studies of Dr Will's study into CJD in a cattle farmer.
Maternal Transmission
The Committee considered recent findings on maternal transmission and concluded that further investigation was required.
Tallow
The Committee was asked to review its position on the production of tallow. It concluded that even though the risk that the presence of infectivity was slight, it noted that tallow derived from SBOs was excluded from human food. It would therefore make sense to bring the rules about the use of tallow for animal consumption into line with those that applied to human consumption.
Gelatin
The Committee looked into the use of gelatine in the pharmaceutical process. The Committee noted that for technical reasons spinal cord was not likely to be included in the raw material of gelatine manufacture. As long as brains were excluded from the manufacturing process, the risk that agent might be present in gelatine was negligible.
It was however necessary to identify potentially hazardous routes, such as material used for injection or implantation, which merit more serious consideration than that taken orally. Bovine material used in the manufacture of gelatine for such purposes should exclude specified offal, as well as skulls and vertebrae.
FSE
The Committee noted that MAFF had agreed to make BSE material available to Bristol University for the study of FSE, subject to their approval of the detail of the experiments in which it was to be used.
Risk from zoo animals
The Committee considered the infectivity studies of tissues from the London Zoo kudu. The Committee did not believe that the apparent high susceptibility of kudu was relevant to BSE in cattle.
14th Meeting 22/4/93
(YB93/4.22/2.1)
Milk
The Committee concluded that there was no evidence to suggest that milk was a hazard to animals or man and no further measures were necessary to protect public health.
Tallow
The Committee noted that Ministers had accepted their advice on tallow.
BAB cases
The Committee supported the proposed case control study on BABs aimed at establishing what, if any, factors beside feed were involved in those cases.
Disposal of carcasses and SBO material
MAFF had sought the Committee's endorsement of incineration as the Government's preferred method of disposal. The Committee agreed that incineration was preferable to burial.
Risk from zoo animals
The Committee recommended that the Institute of Zoology gave researchers access to greater kudu tissues to study the basic biology of the species in relation to others and try to establish why these animals appeared to be more susceptible to SE.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee considered a paper on Dr Narang's research proposal into a diagnostic test for the live animal and agreed that it was necessary to have independent corroboration of his findings.
The Committee also emphasised the importance of defining bovine brain disorder in detail with transmission studies and PrP examination.
The Committee agreed that after the ACDP working Party on SEs had produced their guidelines on occupational risk, it would take on the responsibility for considering the occupational risks involved in SEs.
15th Meeting 7/10/93
(YB93/10.7/2.1)
CJD in farmers and young people
The Committee reviewed the evidence of the case of CJD in a farmer. They agreed that biological characterisation of the agent needed to be carried out as a matter of urgency. Also that if a third case of CJD in a farmer with BSE in their herd occurred, an immediate full Committee meeting would be required.
Hormones
The Committee considered the paper on hormone extracts from Professor Lamming on behalf of the Veterinary Products Committee. It was agreed that there were no reasons to worry about the particular material proposed but that the question of risk acceptance by consumers should be considered. The Committee agreed that the reply to Professor Lamming would be drafted along those lines with a proviso stating that it was given in light of present knowledge and that new information coming to light may alter the advice given.
BAB cases
The Committee was disturbed that the feed ban had not been as effective as early as hoped. It was recognised that the level of infectivity in MBM produced before the ban was still increasing due to recycling of bovine material and it was obvious that compounders and farmers had taken longer to use this material than expected. Information on cases in the group born in 1990 would be critical.
Maternal Transmission
The Committee commented on the most recent study and it was agreed on the information presented that the number of cases seen in the progeny of cases were not different from those seen in the population as a whole. It was appreciated that it was still possible that alternative routes of transmission might emerge as the epidemic continued.
16th Meeting 26/1/94
(YB94/1.26/2.1)
Set up of SEAC
It was suggested that a Deputy Chairman was required. Dr Will was proposed and the proposal was agreed.
SEACs Second Interim Report
The Committee made detailed comments on the report. It was agreed that the top priority in producing the report should be quality rather than speed.
Tallow
The Committee's attention was drawn to a possible problem concerning tallow from SBOs, which had come to light in recent discussion between MAFF and the industry. The Committee reviewed the situation regarding tallow. They requested more information on the process which was allowing tallow into animal feed through the oleochemical industry process.
Emergency Meeting 25/6/94
(YB94/6.25/4.1)
Advice on thymus and intestine of calves
The Government asked for the Committee's advice on the infectivity of distal ileum of calves under six months of age. The study indicated that there was infectivity present in BABs. This suggested that the exemption of SBO from calves under six months was perhaps inadvisable.
The Committee, however, thought that the risk to human health from food derived from infected calves was minuscule if it occurred. It concluded that the experiment should be closely monitored to see whether further action was required.
17th Meeting 30/8/94
(YB94/8.30/2.1)
Advice on thymus and intestine of calves
The Committee noted that the Government response to the findings discussed on 25 June went beyond what SEAC considered scientifically appropriate.
Transmission studies
The Committee expressed its disappointment with the lack of progress with the transmission studies into the two dairy farmers who had CJD.
CJD Surveillance Unit's Third Annual Report
The Committee were asked to consider the latest report, in particular the significance of the finding that the consumption of veal could be a risk factor for CJD. The Committee considered the Report and thought that clear progress had been made. However, certain areas, such as that on veal, could be taken out of context and therefore redrafting would be prudent. The Committee agreed a statement which could be used by DH when the report was published. It also agreed that it had no new advice to give the Government on the basis of the Report.
Maternal transmission
The Committee considered the maternal transmission study. It was agreed that more work was needed in the area. Possible areas of consideration could include the possibility of change in the agent, differential diagnosis and the implementation of the feed ban.
Tallow
The Committee were asked by MAFF to reconsider the evidence on the use of tallow in the oleochemical industry. The industry thought that the processes used would be successful in inactivating the BSE agent. The Committee agreed that the risk from the SBO tallow fractionalised by the industry was minuscule if it existed at all. This recommendation was conditional on the introduction of good monitoring and control of the end product.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee reviewed the hound study undertaken by the SVS, as they had recommended. This was carried out in the form of general monitoring of domestic hounds and also a specific survey of hound packs. a The Committee concluded that there had clearly been problems with it, particularly the control on the histology, and that it was more or less inconclusive. It was agreed that there should be a re-evaluation of the pathological material in the study.
Special Meeting 13/1/95
(YB95/1.13/1.1)
CJD in farmers and young people
A special meeting was called to consider the significance of a third case of CJD arising in a dairy farm worker. The Committee thought that more information was needed before firmer conclusions could be drawn. It agreed that the case did not suggest that there was any need for Government to revise the measures already taken to safeguard public health against occupational and other possible routes of exposure to the BSE agent.
The Committee felt that a statement reflecting the Committee's assessment of the situation should be prepared for the DH to use in response to media enquiries.
18th Meeting 10/2/95
(YB95/2.10/1.1)
Overview of developments in research
The Committee strongly endorsed the conclusions of the minutes of the special meeting and emphasised that transmission studies in mice and strain typing in mice of isolates from the three CJD cases in dairy farmers must be given highest priority.
The Committee considered the proposal to burn SBO-derived greaves at a power station. The Committee concluded that this process would be a very good way of disposing of SBO-MBM. The resulting ash would be buried in approved land-fill sites.
Transmission studies
The Committee reviewed the latest transmission studies which showed that infectivity had not been found in any tissues from calves killed two months after challenge. The Chairman asked whether any representations had been made as a result of these findings for a relaxation in the SBO ban. It was felt that it was too early to consider any revision of the ban.
Risk from zoo animals
The Committee concluded it was happy about the safety of zoo visitors but not about the background epidemiology.
Epidemiology
The Committee considered further evidence of BABS and cross-contamination of feed. It concluded that there were a number of possibilities for cross-contamination which appeared to be the main reason for BAB cases. Epidemiology needed to be continued and reiterated. The Committee was very concerned that possible contamination of feed would continue the epidemic.
19th Meeting 21/6/95
(YB95/6.21/2.1)
Gelatin
The Committee examined the status of gelatine in the context of Commission Decision 95/60 of 6 March 95 concerning protection measures with regard to BSE and the feeding of mammalian derived protein. This excluded gelatine and blood products from the SBO ban. This had not been implemented as yet in the UK. The Committee concluded that in order to agree the exemption for gelatine it needed to be convinced that a negligible amount of infectivity was present in the raw material. This was reliant on the adequacy of the SBO control measures.
Blood
The Committee considered whether the exemption in the Committee decision of blood and blood products from the SBO ban would represent any risk and concluded that it did not believe it to be a matter for concern. It agreed that the exemption from the ban was appropriate.
MRM
The Committee concluded that, provided in the slaughtering process the removal of the spinal cord was done properly, the MRM process was safe and there was no reason for it to change its advice.
BAB cases
The Committee reviewed the first case of BSE in an animal born in 1992. It thought that for contamination of feed to have continued there must have been failure at three levels: the slaughterhouses, the renderers and the feed mills.
The Committee concluded that although it had no further comments on the BAB case it remained a concern that any problems of control should be rectified as soon as possible.
SBO material
The Committee was very concerned at the reports of the lack of compliance in removal of SBOs. The Committee felt that if there was something going wrong, action should be taken as a matter of highest priority.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee reviewed the results of the Idiopathic Brain Neuronal Chromatolysis study (transmission studies in mice from brains of two cows with IBNC). It noted that the results were unusual and thought a suggested line to take would be to say that these were scientifically unpublishable results but in line with the policy of openness they would be made publicly available and further work done to test their validity. Since the BSE precautions were applied to IBNC cases, human health was protected.
The Committee reevaluated the hound study to see if any useful results could be gained from it. The Chairman concluded that there were varying opinions within the Committee on further work. It did not suggest any further transmission studies and thought that the lack of clinical data was a major weakness.
Research priorities
The Committee reaffirmed its view that the case of the third farmer with CJD should be included in the transmission studies - regardless of cost because of its potential importance.
20th Meeting 8/9/95
(YB95/9.8/2.1)
Gelatin
The Committee was content with the exemption from the SBO ban under EU law for gelatine to be given effect. This was after MAFF confirmed that with the new SBO Order gelatine could be regarded as free from SBOs.
BAB cases
The Committee discussed that there may have been some leakage of SBOs into animal feed, prior to the new SBO Order and the revised surveillance programme, which may have affected the incidences of BSE in cattle born after the 1990 SBO Ban.
CJD in farmers and young people
The Committee reviewed the CJDSU's Fourth Report (August 1995). They concluded that although there had been an increase in the incidence of CJD in 1994, it would be premature to conclude that this indicated an additional risk factor for CJD in the UK.
The Committee agreed that no conclusive evidence existed of any change in the incidence of CJD attributable to BSE. However, because of the long incubation period, the study would need to continue for a number of years before firm conclusions could be drawn.
The Committee agreed that the cases of CJD in adolescents should be studied in great detail and it should consider whether they had any implications for the cause or management of the disease.
21st Meeting 4/10/95
(YB95/10.4/1.1)
CJD in farmers and young people
The Committee was required to comment on the possible fourth case of CJD in a cattle farmer.
The Committee concluded that there was a worrying number of cases in farmers exposed to cattle with BSE. However, if there were an occupational link, there would be other occupations equally, if not more at risk. The stage was being reached where it was difficult to explain the cases as a chance phenomenon. It was unclear whether the potential risk factor might be association with animals with BSE or the food given to them. The transmission studies were particularly important.
The Committee recommended that transmission studies were carried out. It decided that it would be irrational to take specific measures at the present time. It issued a statement which DH could use in response to media enquiries if required.
22nd Meeting 23/11/95
(YB95/11.23/1.1)
MRM
The Committee considered the issue of removal of spinal cord. It reviewed its previous opinion that, provided the process was carried out properly, MRM was safe. It decided that in light of recent audit reports showing failure to remove parts of the spinal cord in a small number of carcasses its position should change. The Committee concluded that until it was clear that removal of spinal cord was being undertaken properly in all cases it would be prudent to suspend the use of vertebrae from cattle over six months old, in the production of MRM. It also considered that rib of beef joints were safe.
Blood
The Committee was asked by DH to look at the risk of transmission through blood transfusions. The Committee reviewed its position on blood and concluded that there was no new evidence of risk from blood suggesting the necessity for new measures, although other EU States may raise the issue independently.
Advice on animal feed
The Committee was asked to comment on the Advisory Note for Farmers issued by MAFF in 1990 and whether or not it should include advice not to eat cattle feed. The conclusion was that there was no significant risk, therefore no specific advice should be included.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee agreed that SEAC should seek a neutral critique of Dr Dealler's article by an independent epidemiologist.
23rd Meeting 5/1/96
(YB96/1.5/3.1)
Publicity
The Committee discussed publicity and decided that the minutes of meetings would remain confidential but individual Committee members were free to speak on the subject as they saw fit.
CJD in farmers and young people
The Committee discussed recent cases of CJD. It concluded that the situation demanded the continuation on the intensive monitoring of CJD.
MRM
The Committee had a discussion about MRM and the discovery of spinal cord attached to carcasses. Concern was expressed by a number of Committee members on this issue. They felt they needed reassurance that SBO controls were being carried out properly before they could maintain their current advice on MRM.
Blood
The Committee reconsidered the question of blood transfusions. Although recipients of blood from CJD cases could be traced through and monitored, the Committee felt that it would be inappropriate to notify them in view of the very small risk involved in relation to stress caused. It did however consider it important to record details of blood donations by patients who die of CJD.
Risk from sheep
The Committee considered a DH paper on scrapie and its link with hGH CJD cases. It did not feel that it was something which was likely to be a significant factor. Transmission from humans, with no species barrier, was the most likely cause of all the hGH derived cases.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee considered the scrapie rendering experiment and it was clear that all systems other than the pressurised German type had failed to fully inactivate the BSE agent. Although this could be considered sufficient evidence to advise on policy, it was an EC funded experiment and would as such be interpreted by the SVC.
The Committee recommended that Ministers should ensure that the CJDSU had sufficient funds to allow it to carry on with its epidemiological studies.
The Committee discussed research priorities and would consider the projects paper fully before deciding on priorities. It placed considerable importance on directing some funds towards new facilities for strain-typing. Also that it might be useful to commission some further work about the cause of the epidemic and the explanation for the continuing number of BABs.
24th Meeting 1/2/96
(YB96/2.1/1.1)
Advice on slaughterhouse practices and MRM
The Committee discussed its future visit to a slaughterhouse and the level of current compliance with SBO controls. Dr Matthews would produce a paper for the next meeting.
Overview of developments in research
The Committee reviewed the bovine transgenic mouse models. It concluded that scientifically classical panels of mice and transgenic mice were equally important for surveillance and epidemiological studies of human and animal TSEs and both need to be adequately resourced to meet current and future needs.
The Committee judged that the surveillance and epidemiology of human and animal disease was of high priority, as was the study of occurrence and incidence of BSE in the National Sheep Flock.
The Committee discussed the issue of other research and concluded that there was a need for continued basic research on TSEs and that Research Council funding should continue.
Advice on safety of beef
The Minister required the Committee's views on specific questions that could be published in the form of a press release.
The principal questions to be answered were whether beef was safe to eat. This was entirely dependent on the full implementation of the SBO regulations. Also whether beef products were safe to eat. This was answered in the positive as long as SBOs were removed, there should be no greater risk than from prime beef. It also drafted responses to the questions of whether the epidemic was in decline and the cause of BSE.
25th Meeting 8/3/96
(YB96/3.8/2.1)
Overview of developments in research
The Committee addressed the critique of Dr Dealler's paper and agreed to seek yet more neutral critics to review the paper.